it would have been more interesting for how it could go wrong if the writer had him instead say “I wish my wife would get pregnant” or “I wish my wife and I could have children together”.
By Thisisnota Realname -
And now, the big one. Re: Helen and Lucifer.
I'm pretty darn sure there's misreadings going on here, ngl, but that's kinda on me since there really hasn't been the text space to flesh out the relationship between Helen and Zair like I'm imagining it yet. The biggest one seems to me to be this idea I'm getting from your stuff that Helen's sorta been an awful mother to Zair, in a way. Like, Zarala seems to be recalling all sorts of little mistreatments between the two, Helen was the "bad one" in her and Lucifer's relationship, Zarala just wants to get away from the nightmare that was living with mom, etc. In my head, that's not it all. In my head, Helen is actually a great mother to Zair. And in my head, the subversion is that that's kinda the problem.
Like, one non-obvious character trait I sorta had in mind for Helen is that her opinion of demons in general really isn't that much higher than Terry's was. She's obviously quite religious, so there was already a bias against them coming from there, but then after she got her fingers burnt so badly in her relationship with Lucifer it's pretty much a maxim of hers that your average demon is no good. That's part of why it's so important to her that Zair be raised "right": she could end up being like (shudder) her father if she isn't! My inclusion of Zair nearly having a panic attack in revelation the fact that she was nearly having a panic was partially meant to hint at that: at years of Helen trying very hard to teach Zarala basically not to be a demon, not to show the wings, not to use the fire, not to do most of the things demons do. But of course that's hopeless; Zair IS a demon, and just wants to live her own demon life her own demon way, with the current magic school being a nice escape for her to do that, right? The problem with that, of course, is that her mother genuinely loves her, and is probably the only one who ever has; Zair's having to give that up to go off on her little adventure, and whether she acknowledges it or not, that's gonna sting, a lot.
Lucifer, in my version of things, is not really an intriguing character because he really doesn't need to be; this isn't a story about him, after all, it's about Zarala, Terry, and Martin. Maybe he might make for an interesting side plot at some point, but tbh I'd think it more prudent to limit our attention to only the core cast and the greatest influences in their lives, which in Zarala's case is 100% Helen. Lucifer is important insofar as he adds context to the lives of Helen and Zair, but that's about it, I'd say. (Plus i can already feel the insidious tentacles of power creep as is, and throwing a literal god into the character stew almost certainly isn't gonna help with that, i think).
Oh, and uh... one more misreading. I dunno how the frick one can read about a woman, in a church, in a prayer, asking to become an angel, and think "Aha! Cartoon Cat TF!" but I guess that happened. C'mon man, the angel-mother/demon-daughter contrast is basically the low-hanging fruit here.
By Matisguy -
Alright, prepare for a ton of "Re:"s.
First of all, Re:all the compliments; thank you. I try :)
Re:Mara; I'ma be honest, I really wasn't sure how to handle Mara going into this. I was already having trouble getting into his headspace as a character, and on top of that, the situation he was left off in the last episode was kinda a tricky one to handle as an author, since, let's face it, this is not the sort of challenge he should be capable of overcoming at this point in his magic training, and I kinda had to really reach for a creative solution to that problem. That being said, though, some amount of Mara acting out-of-character here was done deliberately and intentionally: it's because The Promise is subtly but powerfully shifting her character from here on out, at least in the story I imagine from here. I thought from some of the earlier episodes that a character had to make The Promise as part of the binding ritual, and of course such an oath would be closely and consequentially linked to their character from then on, but tbh I didn't wanna have to figure out what Tahera and Zarala's Promises would be right away, so I just made it the necessary step to get the Spirit Portal open, into which Terry and Zair could jump no Promise necessary. I figured Mara's Promise would naturally serve to exaggerate her already existing character traits, the most obvious of which is her lowkey obsession with learning magic even at great risk to herself. So, now, she's forced by The Promise to accept things like the Spirit's challenges even if she doesn't really want to. You can see how well that's going to turn out for her, I imagine (hint: it won't). Plus it makes a magic-lover like her even more of a foil to magic-resenters like Terry and kinda also Zair.
Re:Uni; would you be surprised if I told you I decided to include Uni in this precisely because I wanted to see her mysterious side explored more? I feel like up to now she hasn't really had any good excuse to interact meaningfully with the main cast, which means any investigation into her character and/or her past can't really have taken off. So, when I thought to myself "hm, the main characters probably aren't strong enough to handle this fight by themselves, who should I bring in as the needed extra muscle?" my almost immediate afterthought was "I know! I could use that automaton that hasn't gotten nearly enough attention yet! Surely defense of the students in case of emergency must be part of her programming, and she's inherently limited in capabilities by the keywinding, so it's not like she'll steal the show or anything!" I actually even had a sort-of TF trigger in mind at first, something to do with her running down and getting trapped in the spirit world while the rest of the students evacuated, so they could work their magic. I even had a sketch in mind for Tahera's substitute companion in this case: a 4-armed, blue-skinned genie of the ring named Parvati, with inspiration shamelessly taken from Hindu iconography. That... would have complicated an already complex situation considerably, though, so I just straight cut it out (Pun intended). I know the whole swashbuckler thing doesn't really fit in too well with her character on balance, but hey, I figure we only really need it for this scene: all the juicy bits happen in the aftermath, anyway.
Re: the yet-unnamed-fairy: Of course the little one's gotta have the Napoleon Complex :) and hey, a high-risk-high-reward type fighter with capabilities way out of proportion to their physical size almost always makes things more fun.
By Matisguy -
gentle nudge while this isn't quite improv, the unwritten rule of "yes, and" is still a pretty good guideline. If you're changing something for a narrative reason, sure go with it, but if you're just changing something because you don't like it, it can take a reader out of a story.
Also: if you're going to talk smack about Niagara Falls, you should at least learn how to spell it properly :-p
By Ms. Cork -
With friends like this, who needs enemies?
By Thisisnota Realname -
On Oh, man
Okay I have had a read and tried to organise my thoughts as best I can.
First off I’m very grateful that one feels a desire to contribute to my stories and I absolutely love the passion I can see in the writing. There’s no reason you can’t make this your own, but there are some things that make me a little uncomfortable in what they establish.
I kind of liked Uni having a mysterious role in this rather then being another fighter. Though you certainly wrote the fight sequences well.
The relationship between Helen and Lucifer was always going to be strange. I kind of liked the subversion that Helen was the one acting selfish. This seems to hold true with the last chapter, given she seems to be thinking more about herself rather then Zair, though I could be misreading it. A goofball devil dad is kinda more intriguing.
I really like how you described the well of power. I had a few weird ideas, making it a huge portal to the spirit world is really cool.
I think Mara is a little over the top. I’m not sure she would so quickly surrender her identity for power, but does want to explore magic because it is beautiful to him/her.
I do like the fairy and you probably read my mind with the laser cutter as that was planned to be a thing in the future ;)
I’m thinking to try a third path in this. My one suffered from complexity but I think it can be simplified and you have given some interesting ideas
By Chompy -
will read it soon and I might branch off it. My own branches are not always priority and I didn't get as many votes on it, so its possible your take is better :)
By Chompy -
Definitely this is too much crammed into one page. Should have been made in 2 pieces, part one, they combine into one two-headrd body, get home, part two, they accidentally wish it to be permanent. Because now no one can build anything else starting from just the first part of the plot line, they’re forced to do both or neither. Like maybe I’d like to write a page starting from them not also being immortal and permanently fused, but now I can’t, unless I go back a page and create a new page which is just the first half of this one, bu I’m not gonna do that because that would feel a lot like plagiarism.
By Thisisnota Realname -
On Something not on your top 10 list of expected outcomes
Thanks. I'm in and out of writers block these days. So it's tough to get something out. But I'm glad you like it. :)
By Perri -
Love Susan’s mother. Another great chapter :)
By Chompy -
I'm very flattered that my branch inspired you to reuse it's opening paragraph, you are doing a good job here
By Great Sage -
On Sunbathing
This is the one page written by BroomB I don’t like. The justification the mother gives is beyond tenuous. She’s forcing her son to humiliate him/herself first of all. They don’t have any clothes for Jon, which means she’s forcing him out there naked. Without shoes too. On the first day. And as he pointed out, he’s likely to be contagious, and if it wasn’t contagious as she claims, how does she think he caught it himself. And of course after forcing him to publicly exhibit himself in this body he doesn’t want to be in she’ll be rushing straight home to rummage through his room and throw out the rock in the trash before he gets home. It would just be better if instead of being forced into likely lifelong emotional trauma by his unloving mother, if it was his idea, not hers, for him to immediately resume school attendance against his mother’s urging to stay home, out of perhaps compulsive desire to let the adventure created by the rock to play out for a certain amount of time before ending it. As it is, his mother wins the award for worst parent ever and I don’t think “terrible parent” is the right thing to fill her role with considering I’m pretty sure I’m not expected to actually notice how terrible a mom she’s being here.
By Thisisnota Realname -
It appears passiveobserver must flip a coin at the start of every story, half the time he writes very seriously, the other half he’s trolling, but this time I think the coin must have landed on its edge because I can’t tell which one it is.
By Thisisnota Realname -
Yoy know, the picture you put in doesn’t actually match the description, her ears are on the sides of her head, and she doesn’t have a catlike nose.
By Thisisnota Realname -
You have to admire Karyn’s commitment to cheating here, she could just wish for the knowledge to magically be put on her brain so she would pass the test without any effort in studying but no, she wants to wish Jon to be able to disguise himself as her and take the test in her place.
By Thisisnota Realname -
That’s kind of funny as a joke, but damn hard to continue an actual story out of I think. And here I thought for a moment this one was going to be some religious rubbish so at least it wasn’t that. My but it has a lot of hits and few views though, what does that mean and what even is the difference between hits and views?
By Thisisnota Realname -
If this is the only way she can “win” the argument, then she 100% has proved him right, but she lacks the self-awareness to see this.
By Thisisnota Realname -
She’s certainly failing in her supposed objective of showing Jon that girls supposedly have things harder by torturing him like this. This is not a fair and honest average day for a girl, what with being tormented by a sadistic and petty person. If he gets through this with his memory intact (though I doubt he will) and gets his rock back, this version of him should definitely be ending his friendship with this nasty version of Karyn.
By Thisisnota Realname -
Thanks for the feedback
By Chompy -
My suggested outline of remaining plot and subplots:
Molly/Matt and David encounter, Molly/Matt is more sympathetic to David with possible romance between them both in female form, but Matt eventually returns to normal and things get awkward but their friendship is resolidified. Eventually they also meet Jon in the park and David apologizes for mistreating Jon before, and Jon is dismissive because she has other things to worry about but still accepts the apology. David then builds up a friendly dialog and they learn of each others' ability to communicate with their respective animal kin and have a minor adventure pooling talents to facilitate communication between some rabbits and stray cats, and though not friends, at least the water is under the bridge between Jon and David.
Jon and Karyn find it is impossible to separate the stone from the statue without damaging the statue because when more than one conscious being is touching the stone simultaneously, only the one who has been touching it longer can wish with it and so the ancient Sphinx is the only one who can use it so they can't wish for it to be teleported out of her grip and Jon is not pleased with what the sphinx did to her, understands why she did it and forgives her, and the sphinx wants to continue holding the stone until the mission is complete in order to safeguard it, Jon and Karyn agree. But in the meantime ancient sphinx is willing to revise the original wish for the cold to be replaced by this transformation virus as she can wish for things, and everyone else changes back but of course Jon is stuck this way until 3 generations because that was explicitly wished for and isn't undone.
They later accidentally meet David who is a human male again with no memory of the ordeal as a rabbit girl and very confused by his encounter with Jon and Karyn but still somehow remains a kinder, gentler, more understanding and reasonable person and nice to Jon despite Jon's odd appearance which is now very alarming to him since there are no transformed humans on Earth any more.
Meanwhile Karyn has buyers remorse about changing back and wants to be a catgirl again, she came to like it and is truamatized by having lost her tail, and asks the ancient sphinx who is in control of the stone to explicitly turn her into a catgirl, and the sphinx to the surprise of Karyn but of no one reading wishes for Karyn to turn into a sphinx, justifying it by insisting she gave Karyn what she wanted since a female sphinx is still a type of catgirl. Karyn is angry at first, but Jon and Karyn, looking each over in sphinx form suddenly both seem very distracted and smitten by each other and both just lose control and start making out in the park and after a bit of a tussle, neither one of them is actually down about the new state of affairs.
Training ensues to teach Jon and Karyn to use their sphinx powers under the direction of the shadows and ancient sphinx directly, is met with success. However, contrary to the ancient Sphinx's plans, Jon now suddenly has a huge amount of leverage over the ancient Sphinx because that includes shapeshifting abilities and Jon can actually change back to his original body even though he's in a sense still a female sphinx merely exercising her shapeshifting ability, and doesn't actually need to have 3 generations of sphinxes and reproduce as a female sphinx to change back because he doesn't need a wish from the stone in order to do it. However, he feels sympathy for the ancient sphinx and also has become more attached to his/her female sphinx physical form and lives a dual existence between two species and genders, with he and Karyn as significant others. Jon and Karyn return a few months later, both of them in female sphinx form, heavily pregnant with each others' litters, to tell the ancient sphinx that they're actually going to be giving her exactly what she wanted anyway, eventually at least, but want her help with further generations, since of course they don't want it to involve incest, and the ancient sphinx is overjoyed to learn her species will return and they will oblige her desire even though they didn't have to.
Then 50 years later, and Jon and Karyn, appearing to still be teenagers and in human form, are at a wedding in the same park as the statue sphinx, who suddenly de-fossilizes and becomes living flesh again. She is so amazed to be living again, and is surprised that none of the people at the wedding aren't surprised by this. Until Jon tells her "don't you realize who all these people are? Everyone, let's show her." Everyone at the wedding transforms to their 'true forms', to sphinxes before her eyes, for they are Jon's extended family, hundreds of them. The ancient sphinx breaks down crying and Jon and Karyn hug her, she hands Jon the magic stone after holding it for 50 years, and then they make her a sort of guest of honor at the ceremony.
It's how I'd have it go at least. Maybe I'll write it up eventually.
By Thisisnota Realname -
Warning to anyone reading this. I consider this to be the last canonical chapter. It just degenerates from here on out into crap (I'll be generous and just call it really bad furry filler) and it is all written by catprog. I've had my problems with Chompy and nothingsp, but catprog proves to be really, not capable or interested in wrapping this thing up in a reasonable way or at all really. Please don't waste your time on it.
But anyone who has made it this far, if you wanted to finish it yourself, I think this right here is the right place to do it from. And if anyone comes along after that, don't waste your time with what is here now, namely the "Back to the sphinx" branch with 24 pages or "Karyn and Jon" singleton with 1 page.
By Thisisnota Realname -
Warning to anyone else here. I just looked forward and everything from this point forward was written by catprog and it just degenerates into crap from here on out. No end of the story. It wasn't even far from a resolution. What a rotten disappointment. It was good for a long while.
By Thisisnota Realname -
Ugh. At this point it is obvious this catprog is a hardcore furry and is trying to ruin the story. Why? Just why.... it's been a good story since BroomB wrestled it away from nothingsp's original.... and very similar.... intentions for it and steered it in a good direction. For the good of the world, take some saltpeter catprog, and some cold showers. A little bit of furry stuff is fine if it is tasteful, and a little bit of adult theme stuff is fine if it is tasteful, but you obviously don't even have a clue where that line is.
By Thisisnota Realname -
Oh no, don't throw in some complication like this so late in the story.
By Thisisnota Realname -
On Back to Jon
But you know, it seems to me, at this point, that since being a sphinx apparently comes with magic powers and one of those powers is shapeshifting powers, and another is a very slow aging rate, it really would make no sense for Jon to have any motivation to wish to change back, and there's also no reason Jon needs to breed at all, let alone have great-grandchildren as a sphinx. As soon as Jon gets control of the shapeshifting powers, she, or he, can simply change back to whatever body he wants to have. And since the wish was "I wish that any wish that would change the sphinx currently known as Jon would fail unless she has great grand children that are sphinxes", that was not a wish prohibiting Jon shapeshifting, just being wished to be changed. Once Jon gets control of those natural powers, he can be human and male if he wants, and have a much longer lifespan, and wishing to be changed from sphinx back to human male would effectively just be a wish to lose his supernatural powers. Why would anyone want to do that? Just keep the powers right?
By Thisisnota Realname -
Oh. I guess page 19069 wasn't canonical here then. Because here Sally is female. It did branch off one time but I interpreted that to just mean that it was what happened at the party.
By Thisisnota Realname -
No. David didn't get an age boost, he got regressed several years, they said that repeatedly. Seriously you've got to do a better job of reading and understanding previous chapters.
By Thisisnota Realname -
Funny how all these male characters change sex and it's always permanent, when the odds are supposed to be only 20% of changing, much less of a sex change, and even then it's supposed to be temporary at least half of the time. But deus ex machina I guess.
By Thisisnota Realname -
On Matt's turn
Another inconsistency. In an early episode, they said there were several other sphinxes just in Jon's state alone. It was I think in the first 10 pages of this story. I think they said there were 4. That would imply there are at least several hundred on Earth. Of course, you can use the stone to turn regular humans into more, and it probably wouldn't be hard to find willing volunteers. And of course there's no reason they shouldn't be able to just instantly wish an offspring into existence without actually gestating it inside her body.
By Thisisnota Realname -
Cutting it out of the statue's grip with tools? That's the best they can think of? They can still touch it even if they can't pry it loose, just wish it to be teleported one foot to the side.
By Thisisnota Realname -
Please change all occurrences of the word wonder to wander in this page. Also, did you know, rabbits actually hate carrots. They'll eat the green leafy part but not the root. Also why it is implausible there wouldn't be food for the rabbit around, they typically literally live off of grass or almost any other green plants. The rabbit wouldn't be searching for food and asking for it, and offering it carrots would be the last thing it'd want.
By Thisisnota Realname -
Yikes. We have a new writer too. Well, the good news Jon is you're going to solve your problem. The bad news is that it is going to take a certain amount of time and you'll have to do some things you really don't want to do. Though if she's creative Jon could cheat in the intent of this wish: instantly materialize an offspring into existence without birthing it with the help of the stone, materialize that offspring's offspring, and materialize that offspring's offspring, and then fix the common cold issue. But it also kind of ruins the story, because now it removes all the important uncertainty in the future of the story. We now know Jon is going to successfully get the stone back and any further quest is now irrelevant because it is predestined she'll get the rock back. What room is there left for an actual story from here on out then? We already know the outcome, Jon gets the stone back. Well, maybe some other writers will be able to fix that mess and keep it interesting.
By Thisisnota Realname -
Oh it was so HARD for her to FORGIVE him, when he could have easily TURNED HER IN for bullying Jon the day before and said "well if you put this on my permanent record, make sure to put that down in David's". And Matt wasn't even bullying her, just spreading information she wanted to keep secret that he didn't know she wanted to keep secret because he's dense. David should consider herself in Matt's debt, not the other way around.
By Thisisnota Realname -
Ugh. Chompy really needs to read the previous material better. "What have I done Karyn," .... Karyn was the one that did this, wishing for the common cold to be replaced with something else. "a minor change, much like Karyn and Sarah" ... they just said in the previous page that Sarah was more animal-like than Jon is, and earlier they said she had a full fox muzzle. I skipped some slow going tedious school chapters but I'll bet Chompy is the one that accidentally rewrote Sarah as a foxgirl instead of a rabbitgirl too. Your inattentiveness to detail is screwing things up Chompy, and the other writers are trying to oblige you on it but you ain't making it easy for them.
By Thisisnota Realname -
nothingsp also obviously trying to work with Chompy's weak reading comprehension skills, awkwardly retconning it here into it being telepathic communication instead of the cat actually talking, kind of sad that he had to do that, and it's painfully obvious that's what happened here. Bet BroomB wouldn't have made that mistake, he seems to be the most talented one here.
By Thisisnota Realname -
On David squares off with Matt...
I just looked back and confirmed that David was the one antagonizing Jon for being changed into a female, just out of the blue, bullying someone who is already hurting and kicking them when they're down for fun. Suddenly 100% of my sympathy for David has evaporated. And here I was irked by David's mother so much. On second thought it's great that she changed this way and is getting a taste of her own medicine, she deserved every bit of it, couldn't happen to a more deserving individual, wish he'd changed even more after the experimental treatment failed than just getting a 3rd tit, wish he'd changed into a freaking pokemon or something. Though perhaps she'll get a meaningful confrontation with Jon now and break down and apologize and redeem herself just the tiniest bit.
By Thisisnota Realname -
On David squares off with Matt...
2nd to last paragraph, from #29 "Jon and the Cat" or "Catfight?" depending on which title you use, Karyn says "'Kitten' indeed". She was mocking Jon for reacting the way she did and agreeing with the cat. Jon at no point said "kitten", all Jon said after the cat started talking was "Y-you can talk!?" and "A-are you...are you changed?". So there's no way to interpret this any way other than Karyn having directly heard the cat's comment calling Jon a kitten. It also said the cat was being sarcastic in retorting "No, you're just imagining it." when Jon said "Y-you can talk!?". So yes, the cat was talking out loud in English, not telepathically.
By Thisisnota Realname -
Oopsies. Chompy, you have made a mistake in comprehending 2 episodes back. Karyn was replying directly to the cat without Jon having repeated it. So Jon isn't supposed to be telepathically understanding the cat from some sort of telepathic cat communication ability and just hearing the words in her mind, the cat is actually supposed to be talking for real. It's the cat that's magic, not Jon. Oh well. If your miscomprehension becomes canonical because future episodes rely on Jon having this ability, I guess that's fine, but then the previous episode ought to be edited you know.
By Thisisnota Realname -
I'm definitely planning on taking it further. Stay tuned!
By ThisIsNoOne -
On Jon grows a pair of breasts
Any plans to continue this story?
By LoverOfChaos -
Well, the issue here is that one doesn’t want to make a bad situation worse. They can work through this sure.. it would be hard but as a parent why take an even bigger risk to one’s child? That’s sort of what I was trying to go for, though I didn’t convey it too well.
By Chompy -
Welcome to the town of terrible parents, where every parent is terrible. David's mom's like "being a girl is good enough for me so it's good enough for you, I am offended that you even be upset about it, and I'd rather have a daughter, why should I care about what YOU want for your own body".
By Thisisnota Realname -
Thank you BroomB, for rescuing this story from the jaws of doom and the stone from the trash collector. Though someone at some point was sloppy, they said earlier that Sarah was a rabbit, not a fox, and now everyone's saying she's a fox and it breaks consistency. I don't know, I skipped some chapters and went straight to last page at 19046 from 19040 I think. At some point in there, someone must have forgotten what Sarah was already established to be and started saying she was a fox.
By Thisisnota Realname -
This nothingsp guy...... this is some bullcrap right here. Jon's mom: "No, you can't have even one day off from school, even though I don't have any clothes ready that fits you, you must go to school today immediately and you must go NAKED! Not even with SHOES or anything to protect your paws, just totally naked to walk with your bare paws on sharp rocks and gravel and soil with hookworms and who knows what. Because I don't love you, son, I don't love you at all or care about your well being or mental health, to the extent I will force you to humiliate and endanger yourself in public like this just to serve as a very sketchy deus ex machina to keep you away from your magic stone for a few hours, but I'll give some BS excuse to justify it without pointing out how little it means I care about my own son. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to rush home to ruffle through your belongings and throw some of it in the trash without your permission on trash day before the pickup and before you get home so that the thing I throw out in your room will be gone forever, and it will also be the one thing you need that would fix all this, and I'll actually throw a rock in the trash instead of tossing it outside because that's a totally normal thing people do, throwing rocks out in the trash." Yeah, the number of coincidences and utter BS this requires are totally believable. It was bad enough when she did the same thing without forcing Jon to go to school shoeless and naked in that other branch. It makes me want to make another branch stemming off where Jon kills his mom.
By Thisisnota Realname -
Loving this story so far. Hoping you're planning to continue?
By Thewayodaworld -
On Jon grows a pair of breasts
Such a great premise it started with, and such squandered potential now.
By Thisisnota Realname -
On Bro hug
Oh this is the first one I've read that is truly a great premise. A disgrace that it has been up for over 6 years and it has no upvotes. Here, have mine.
By Thisisnota Realname -
Oh bigbustgazer oh you have a thing to learn about the fairer sex. Nothing that goes wrong is ever their fault, but rather the nearest male is all to blame.
By Thisisnota Realname -
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By TheScienceWizard -
Glad you like it! This is a fun story to work on!
By ThisIsNoOne -
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